Elm Court Outdoor and Indoor Boot Sales
Outdoors sales will be held every Saturday from Saturday 7th April 2018 to 6th October 2018.
Sellers cars/vans: 5. sellers are admitted at 11am. If early admission is necessary, then no unloading or set-up before 11am is permitted.
Buyers: 50p from 12 noon. Early buyers £4 before 11:15. £3 between 11:15 & 11:30. £2 between 11:30 & 11:45. £1 between 11:45 & 12:00 noon.
Please note there is a maximum height limit on vehicles of 2 metres (6' 6")
Subject to field conditions. If in doubt phone 01707 659602 (24hr)

Car Boot Weather
Location map

Our car boot field - click to expand

Outdoor Sales

On a dry day we get between 70 and 150 sellers cars and about 1000 public (see 2017 figures). The field is reasonably flat and cut (good enough for youth football). A very nice setting with trees and hedging on 3 sides, and the Elm Court Centre on the fourth. There are indoor toilets, an indoor snack bar with seating, selling teas/coffees, burgers, sandwiches etc. There is also usually a Snack Bar on the field with seating.

Date Field good cause Snack Bar good cause Pitch fees (pitches) Buyers gate
7 April 2018 Cancelled Cancelled Field Waterlogged
14 April 2018 Cancelled Cancelled Field Waterlogged
21 April 2018 Cancelled Cancelled Field Waterlogged
28 April 2018 Cancelled Cancelled Field Waterlogged
5 May 2018 Cancelled Cancelled Field Waterlogged
12 May 2018 1 LH & PB Scouts PB Christmas Lights Fund 565 (113) 640
19 May 2018 St Albans and Hertsmere Canoe Club PB Christmas Lights Fund 475 (95) 680
26 May 2018 Tartan Phoenix Explorer Scouts PB & District Scouts World Jamboree Trip 660 (132) 710
2 June 2018 PB & District Scouts World Jamboree Trip Green Room Theatre 615 (123) 770
9 June 2018 5th Potters Bar Brownies PB Christmas Lights Fund 645 (129) 815
16 June 2018 Potters Bar Life Saving Club Green Room Theatre Company 490 (98) 772
23 June 2018 5 Potters Bar Scouts PB Christmas Lights Fund 800 (160) 790
30 June 2018 PB Scouts International Warren Concert Party
7 July 2018 5th Potters Bar Brownies Tartan Phoenix Explorer Scouts
14 July 2018 Silver Phoenix Explorer Scouts Green Room Theatre Company
21 July 2018 North Mymms Youth Project Cats Protection
28 July 2018 Mission Direct Cats Protection
4 Aug 2018 The Green Room Tartan Phoenix Explorer Scouts
11 Aug 2018 Hertfordshire Showband Hertfordshire Showband
>18 Aug 2018 Potters Bar Air Cadets Cats Protection
25 Aug 2018 Barnet Open Door Project Tartan Phoenix Explorer Scouts
1 Sept 2018 PB & District Scouts World Jamboree Trip Cats Protection
8 Sept 2018 Potters Bar Lifesaving Club Warren Concert Party
15 Sept 2018 North Mymms Youth Project Green Room Theatre Company
22 Sept 2018 St Albans & Hertsmere Canoe Club 1st Northaw Scout Group
29 Sept 2018 Silver Phoenix Explorer Scouts PB Scouts International
6 Oct 2018 >Potters Bar Air Cadets 5th Potters Bar Scout Group

The first indoor sale of the following season is on 20 October 2018 - booking opens 18th September 2018

Why are sellers stopped from setting up before 11am?
11am is the advertised start time. So we want to do what we advertise. If we dont, then sellers will come earlier and earlier, and we'll end up as an early morning sale.
Why the complicated early buyer fee?
Most car boots have an early buyer fee. We have an early buyer fee to enable sellers to setup before the majority of buyers have arrived. It also provides extra income for the organisaion on the field We used to have a single rate early buyer fee of 4. But this resulted in so many 50p buyers coming early, that the front car park would fill with people waiting for the switch to 50p that we ended up having to let the 50p buyers in early. Which ended up being earlier each week. We find that the timed 4/3/2/1 scale of early buyer fees allows us to keep to the advertised start time.
Who is it in aid of?
Elm Court Youth and Community Centre, a registered charity, take most of the proceeds from the sellers fees. The money is used to maintain and enhance the Centre.  The good cause staffing the gate and field keep the proceeds from the buyers, and a small proportion from the sellers fees. The good cause running the Snack Bars keep all their profits and a small proportion from the sellers fees.
How Much Space Do I get?
The field can get pretty full, so to be fair to everyone we limit the pitch length to 6 metres (20 feet) - that's over 3 normal pasting tables end to end.  If you want more space, then just let the field staff know, then you pay £1/metre over the 6 metre. Vans pay the same as cars because they may want the same space as a car.  If they want more then they pay the £1/metre extra.
What if I Bring a Trailer
Trailers are charged extra at the rate of £1/wheel on trailer. 
Why the maximum height limit of 6'6"?
We feel that large vans detract from what we're promote - people buying and selling pre-loved) items on a small scale. Also heavier and bigger vans cause the field more damage.  And on the entrance to the field we have a low tree, and the entrance to the Centre has a height restriction bar.
Does Elm Court supply tables?
No, please bring your own.
Do I need to book?
No. We do not take bookings. If we're full, and this has only happened five times in 20 years, we give free entry vouchers for future sales to those we have to turn away.
What if it rains?
Unless the field is also waterlogged (see below), rain does not cause the sale to be cancelled. If rain looks likely, we also offer sellers space inside. Space inside is usually much more restricted
What if the field is waterlogged?
With a waterlogged field the sale will usually be cancelled (sometimes it will be moved indoors - see below). Sales are usually cancelled either the evening before or about 9am on the morning of the sale.  We try to give as much notice as possible, but you must understand that the field can be dry until the Friday evening, then rain all night, and then be waterlogged in the morning. Phone 01707 659602 for 24hr info, but we prefer if you phone outside 9am to 1pm, Mon-Fri. We shall also try to update the web-site.
Do you move inside if the field is waterlogged?
Sometimes. With a waterlogged field the sale will usually be cancelled. This is because the field cannot be used for parking.  So however sunny it is on the day, we cannot park enough cars.  So we feel it is better to cancel than to have the chaos that insufficient parking would cause. There is an exception to this.  If we can predict that the field is going to be waterlogged sufficiently well in advance that the press adverts can reflect this, then we will have an indoor sale, like we hold in the winter.  If this is well publicised enough, then not nearly as many people turn up, and we can cope with the parking.
What can I sell?
All the normal car boot stuff provided it is legal.
And not the following:
  Bottled, canned, and hot drinks and fresh food because the snack bar good cause have the monopoly.
  'fun bangs' and water bombs because these cause a mess inside the centre.
  Guns, including replicas and those that fire plastic pellets, and "weapon" knives because we disapprove and have caused problems.
  Alcohol or tobacco because it is illegal without a licence - even if they are left over from a party!!
Where do we advertise?
Hendon Times, Potters Bar Community News, www.carbootjunction.co.uk, www.ukfayres.co.uk, www.boot-fairs.co.uk, www.yourbooty.co.uk.
www.carbootbazaar.com.
It there a Question you still have, which you think should be answered here?
Then email us:  email contact.

 

Outdoor Sales 2017:

Date Field good cause Snack Bar good cause Pitch fees (pitches) Buyers gate
22 April 2017 Barnet Open Door Project PB Scouts Town Twinning Camp 950 (95) 592
29 April 2017 2nd Potters Bar Guides 1st Northaw Scouts 720 (72) 860
6 May 2017 5th Potters Bar Brownies 1st Cuffley Scouts 860 (86) 910
13 May 2017 5th Potters Bar Scout Group 22 Welwyn Garden City Guides 740 (74) 570
20 May 2017 Hertsmere Canoe Club PB & District Scouts Town Twinning Camp 390 (39) 663
27 May 2017 North Mymms Youth Project Green Room Theatre Company 960 (96) 770
3 June 2017 Roundwood Park School exchange trip Cats Protection 1030 (103) 752
10 June 2017 PB Life Saving Club Green Room Theatre Company 890 (89) 812
17 June 2017 Hertfordshire Showband Hertfordshire Showband 1020 (102) 670
24 June 2017 5 Potters Bar Scout Group Warren Concert Party 640 (64) 579
1 July 2017 Silver Phoenix Explorer Scouts World Challenge Africa 780 (78) 485
8 July 2017 North Mymms Youth Project Green Room Theatre Company 800 (80) 783
15 July 2017 Silver Phoenix Explorer Scouts 1st Northaw Scout Group 520 (52) 500
22 July 2017 57 (Potters Bar) Squadron ATC 1st Cuffley Scout Group 440 (44) 450
29 July 2017 PB & District Scouts Town Twinning camp Green Room Theatre Company 620 (62) 590
5 Aug 2017 Hertfordshire Youth Connexions Cats Protection 175 (35) 524 (5 special)
12 Aug 2017 1st Little Heath & Potters Bar Scouts Warren Concert Party 630 (126) 700 (5 special)
>19 Aug 2017 Barnet Church Open Door Project Cats Protection 765 (153) 507 (5 special)
26 Aug 2017 1st Little Heath & Potters Bar Scouts Green Room Theatre Company 700 (140) 830 (5 special)
2 Sept 2017 57 (Potters Bar) Squadron ATC Warren Concert Party 640 (128) 744 (5 special)
9 Sept 2017 Hertsmere Canoe Club The Wayside Centre 350 (70) 610 (5 special)
16 Sept 2017 2 Potters Bar Guides Cats Protection 300 (60) 490 (5 special)
23 Sept 2017 5th Potters Bar Brownies 22nd Welwyn Garden City Guides 575 (115) 622 (5 special)
30 Sept 2017 Hertfordshire Showband Hertfordshire Showband cancelled waterlogged
7 Oct 2017 Potters Bar life Saving Club 5th Potters Bar Cubs 280 (54) 380 (5 special)

Indoor Sales

These are held between mid-October and Easter, alternate Saturdays.  There are 48 stalls, and we usually get between 200 and 300 public.
There is a snack bar with seating, selling teas/coffees, burgers, sandwiches etc.

Indoor Sales also known as Attic Sales p>Sellers are admitted from 11:45 am. Public are admitted from *1pm.

Stall for indoor sales cost £12 but must be booked

Public are charged 50p until 2.30pm. *But if they want to enter early, with the sellers, it is £5.

Indoor Dates for 2017/2018:
21 October 2017 Good cause: The Green Room all stalls sold
4 November 2017 Good cause: Warren Concert Party stalls on sale from 2 October
18 November 2017 Good cause: World Challenge Africa stalls on sale from 2 October
2 December 2017 Good cause: 1st Northaw Scout Group stalls on sale from 2 October
16 December 2017 Good cause: Green Room Theatre Company stalls on sale from 2 October
13 January 2018 Good cause: 1st Cuffley Scout Group stalls on sale from 4 December
27 January 2018 Good cause: Warren Concert Party stalls on sale from 4 December
10 February 2018 Good cause: 1st Cuffley Scout Group stalls on sale from 4 December
24 February 2018 Good cause: Green Room Theatre Company stalls on sale from 4 December
10 March 2018 Good cause: Warren Concert Party stalls on sale from 4 December
24 March 2018 Good cause: Potters Bar Scouts World Jamboree Trip 2019 stalls on sale from 4 December

What time are buyers admitted and how much?
Normally 1pm.  But early buyers are admitted at the same time as stall holders on payment of £5.  Admission is free after 2.30pm.  Accompanied children are free.

Why the £5 fee for early buyers?
We find the sellers prefer time to set-up before the general public are allowed in.  But then we found that some 'keen' buyers would book a stall just to get in at the same time as the sellers. But then they would leave the stall empty, which reduces the choice for others. So now we have formalised the £5 fee for early buyers.

How Much Does a Pitch Cost?
£12.

How Much Space Do I get?
Cost £12 per pitch. For each pitch we supply one table about 6 feet by 2 feet. Most pitches in the main hall are 7 feet wide by 6 feet deep, those in the small hall are 8 feet wide by about 5 feet deep, and those in the link are a different size again. For  SAFETY reasons, stalls must not extend into the aisles. How you use your area is up to you, but your whole stall, and your sales staff, must fit into this area. Extending into the aisles cannot be tolerated for safety reasons. We are very strict about this. In the main hall it is possible to re-arrange your pitch so that the table, and a 6 foot long dress rail can be accommodated without breaking this rule, but most stall holders find this re-arrangement very inconvenient.
Click here for stall layout.

What time are stall holders admitted?
The centre will open at 11.45 for setting up. The sale will begin at 1pm.
We reserve the right to re-let any stall not taken up by 12.45pm. Stalls not pre-paid must be taken up by 12.15pm.

Does Elm Court supply tables?
For indoor sales yes, a table approximately 6 feet by 2 feet. For all pitches in the main halls (stalls 1-30) there is enough space to add your own pasting table behind the supplied table, making a total table top size of 6 feet by 4 feet.

Do I need to book?
Yes, for indoor sales it is almost essential to book.
For further information or booking ring Elm Court 01707 659602, 9am to 12 noon, Monday, Wednesday & Friday. Sorry no online booking.

On nice days can I set up a stall in the car park or field
No.  Sorry, but this is rarely possible, and so not worth disrupting the sale when it is possible. Some sellers would want to move from indoors to outdoors, leaving others scattered around the hall in a less attractive selling area.

What is Disabled Access Like
The main hall, lower link and toilet access is step free from the car park. The small hall and upper link is accessible via a ramp from the car park.  There are steps between the small hall, upper link and main hall, but these can be avoided by going round the outside of the building which, if required, our staff will be pleased to help you with.  There is a special toilet for those with disabilities which can accessed with a wheelchair.

What can I sell?
All the normal car boot stuff provided it is legal.
And not the following:
  Bottled, canned, and hot drinks and fresh food because the snack bar good cause have the monopoly.
  'fun bangs' and water bombs because these cause a mess inside the centre.
  Guns, including replicas and those that fire plastic pellets, and "weapon" knives because we disapprove and have caused problems.
  Alcohol or tobacco because it is usually illegal - even if they are left over from a party!!
The sale of counterfeit copies of CDs and DVDs, counterfeit designer clothes and perfumes etc will not be tolerated

Who is it in aid of?
Elm Court Youth and Community Centre, a registered charity, take most of the proceeds from the stalls fees (the £12).  The money is used to maintain and enhance the Centre.  The good cause staffing the doors, car park and snack bar keep the proceeds from the public (the 50p), early buyers (the £5), snack bar profits and a small proportion from the stall fees.

Is there a Question you still have, which you think should be answered here?
Then email us:  email contact.

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