Elm Court Outdoor and Indoor Boot Sales
Outdoors, alternate Saturdays between Easter and October, indoors rest of year.
Sellers are admitted from 12 noon. Public are admitted from *1pm.
Sellers cars/vans: £12 - no booking.
Please note there is a maximum height limit on vehicles of 2 metres (6' 6")
Public are charged 50p until 2.30pm.
*But if they want to enter early, with the sellers, it is £4.
Subject to field conditions. If in doubt phone 01707 659602 (24hr)

Car Boot Weather
Location map

Our car boot field - click to expand

Outdoor Sales

On a dry day we get between 130 and 230 sellers cars and about 1000 public (see 2013 figures). The field is reasonably flat and cut (good enough for youth football). A very nice setting with trees and hedging on 3 sides, and the Elm Court Centre on the fourth. There are indoor toilets, an indoor snack bar with seating, selling teas/coffees, burgers, sandwiches etc. There is also usually a Snack Bar on the field with seating.

Outdoor Sales 2014:

Date Field good cause Snack Bar good cause Pitch fees (pitches) Buyers gate
26 April 1st Little Heath & PB Scouts 1st Northaw Scouts £420 (35) £530 (heavy rain forecast)
10 May 5th PB Brownies PB Children with Special Needs Group £348 (29) £320 (heavy rain forecast and did!)
24 May 1st Cuffley Scouts Green Room Theatre Company £192 (16) £199 (heavy rain forecast again!!)
7 June 3rd Potters Bar Scouts Cats Protection £346 (29) £180 (indoors - rain storms forecast)
21 June PB Lifesaving & Hertsmere Canoe Club Mount Grace School £2316 (193) £814 (hot sunny day)
5 July International Scouting North Mymms Youth Project £576 (48) £406 (heavy rain forecast)
19 July 5 Potters Bar Scouts Mount Grace PTFA £516 (43) £218 (morning rain. Rainstorms forecast)
2 Aug Herts Youth Connexions Green Room Theatre Company £1008 (84) £520 (heavy showers forecast. Stayed dry)
16 Aug Overseas Scout Trips Warren Concert Party £2400 (200) £670
30 Aug Barnet Open Door Project Cats Protection £1560 (130) £805
13 Sept PB Air Cadets Wayside Centre
27 Sept Hertfordshire Showband Warren Concert Party
11 Oct 4 PB Scouts North Mymms Youth Project

The first indoor sale of the following season is on 25 October 2014 - booking opens 29th September

Who is it in aid of?
Elm Court Youth and Community Centre, a registered charity, take most of the proceeds from the sellers fees (the £12).  The money is used to maintain and enhance the Centre.  The good cause staffing the gate and field keep the proceeds from the public (the 50p), early buyers (the £4), and a small proportion from the sellers fees. The good cause running the Snack Bars keep all their profits and a small proportion from the sellers fees.
How Much Space Do I get?
The field can get pretty full, so to be fair to everyone we limit the pitch length to 6 metres (20 feet) - that's over 3 normal pasting tables end to end.  If you want more space, then just let the field staff know, then you pay £1/metre over the 6 metre. Vans pay the standard £12 fee because they may want the same space as a car.  If they want more then they pay the £1/metre extra.
What if I Bring a Trailer
Trailers are charged extra to the £12 at the rate of £1/wheel on trailer. 
Why the maximum height limit of 6'6"?
We don't want greengrocers, butchers etc as this effects the local shops.  We are a Community Centre after all, and most of the Community want to maintain their local shops, even if they don't always use them.  Also heavier and bigger vans cause the field more damage.  And on the entrance to the field we have a low tree, and the entrance to the Centre has a height restriction bar.
Why the £4 fee for early buyers?
We find the sellers prefer time to set-up before the general public are allowed in.  But then we found that some 'keen' buyers would pay the sellers car £12 fee, just to get in at the same time as the sellers.  We often could not tell the difference between these bogus sellers and the genuine seller, so could not prevent this practice.  So now we have formalised the £4 fee for early buyers.   But please note we make no guarantee about how long in advance of the general public this will get you in.
Does Elm Court supply tables?
No, please bring your own.
Do I need to book?
No. We do not take bookings. If we're full, and this has only happened five times in 20 years, we give free entry vouchers for future sales to those we have to turn away.
What if it rains?
Unless the field is also waterlogged (see below), rain does not cause the sale to be cancelled. If it does rain during a sale, pitch fees are refunded at the rate of £3 for every 20 minutes of rain between 12 noon and 3pm to a maximum of £12. For example: a total of 19 minutes rain - no refund, a total of 21 minutes, £3 refund. Change may be required! Outdoor sales only. Tomís or Barbaraís decision is final! If rain looks likely, we also offer sellers space inside. Space inside is usually much more restricted for the £12 fee.
What if the field is waterlogged?
With a waterlogged field the sale will usually be cancelled (sometimes it will be moved indoors - see below). Sales are usually cancelled either the evening before or about 9am on the morning of the sale.  We try to give as much notice as possible, but you must understand that the field can be dry until the Friday evening, then rain all night, and then be waterlogged in the morning. Phone 01707 659602 for 24hr info, but we prefer if you phone outside 9am to 1pm, Mon-Fri. We shall also try to update the web-site.
Do you move inside if the field is waterlogged?
Sometimes. With a waterlogged field the sale will usually be cancelled. This is because the field cannot be used for parking.  So however sunny it is on the day, we cannot park enough cars.  So we feel it is better to cancel than to have the chaos that insufficient parking would cause. There is an exception to this.  If we can predict that the field is going to be waterlogged sufficiently well in advance that the press adverts can reflect this, then we will have an indoor sale, like we hold in the winter.  If this is well publicised enough, then not nearly as many people turn up, and we can cope with the parking.
What can I sell?
All the normal car boot stuff provided it is legal.
And not the following:
  Bottled, canned, and hot drinks and fresh food because the snack bar good cause have the monopoly.
  'fun bangs' and water bombs because these cause a mess inside the centre.
  Guns, including replicas and those that fire plastic pellets, and "weapon" knives because we disapprove and have caused problems.
  Alcohol or tobacco because it is illegal without a licence - even if they are left over from a party!!
Where do we advertise?
Hendon Times, www.pottersbar.org, Potters Bar Community News, www.carbootjunction.co.uk, www.ukfayres.co.uk, www.boot-fairs.co.uk, www.yourbooty.co.uk.
It there a Question you still have, which you think should be answered here?
Then email us:  email contact.

 

Outdoor Sales 2013:

Date Field good cause Snack Bar good cause Pitch fees (pitches) Buyers gate
6 April 3rd Potters Bar Scouts Mount Grace School PTFA £768(64) £613 (Very Cold)
20 April 4th Potters Bar Scouts PB Children with Special Needs Group £1812 (151) £760
4 May Hertsmere Canoe Club Mount Grace D of E expedition £1800 (150) £750 (heavy hail storm)
18 May Hertfordshire Showband Hertfordshire Showband £1440 (120) £850
1 June Crusaders Youth Football Club Silver Pheonix Explorer Scouts £2052 (171) £911
15 June Herts Youth Connexions Warren Concert Party £1380 (115) £720 Rain & wind forecast and got
29 June PB Lifesaving Club Green Room Theatre Company £1800 (150) £820
13 July 5th Potters Bar Scouts Mount Grace PTFA £1560(130) £740 Very Hot
27 July 1st Little Heath & PB Scouts Cats Protection £1080 (90) £840 Rain forecast
10 Aug Barnet Open Door Project Warren Concert Party £2400 (200) £720
24 Aug Green Room Theatre Company Cats Protection £288 (24) £170 rained all day so indoors
7 Sept Cuffley Scouts North Mymms Youth Project £1320 (110) £650
21 Sept Potters Bar Air Cadets Wayside Centre £2160 (180) £580
5 Oct 5th Potters Bar Brownies PB Children with Special Needs £1440 (120) £770
19 Oct North Mymms Youth Project 1st Northaw Scouts £576 (48) £270 (heavy rain at 1pm for an hour)

Indoor Sales

These are held between mid-October and Easter, alternate Saturdays.  There are 48 stalls, and we usually get between 300 and 400  public.
There is a snack bar with seating, selling teas/coffees, burgers, sandwiches etc.

Indoor Sales also known as Attic Sales

Indoors, alternate Saturdays between mid October and Easter, Outdoors rest of year.

Sellers are admitted from 11:45 am. Public are admitted from *1pm.

Stall for indoor sales cost £17 but must be booked

Public are charged 50p until 2.30pm. *But if they want to enter early, with the sellers, it is £5.

Indoor Dates for 2014/2015:
25 October 2014 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 29th September
8 November 2014 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 29th September
22 November 2014 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 29th September
6 December 2014 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 5th September>
3 January 2015 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from from 24 November
17 January 2015 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 24 November
31 January 2015 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 24 November
14 February 2015 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 24 November
28 February 2015 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 24 November
14 March 2015 Good cause: TBA >stalls on sale from 24 November
28 March 2015 Good cause: TBA stalls on sale from 24 November

What time are buyers admitted and how much?
Normally 1pm.  But early buyers are admitted at the same time as stall holders on payment of £5.  Admission is free after 2.30pm.  Accompanied children are free.

Why the £5 fee for early buyers?
We find the sellers prefer time to set-up before the general public are allowed in.  But then we found that some 'keen' buyers would book a stall just to get in at the same time as the sellers. But then they would leave the stall empty, which reduces the choice for others. So now we have formalised the £5 fee for early buyers.

How Much Does a Pitch Cost?
£17 for the first pitch, then £15 each after the first if you want more than one on the same day.

How Much Space Do I get?
Cost £17 per pitch. For each pitch we supply one table about 6 feet by 2 feet. Most pitches in the main hall are 7 feet wide by 6 feet deep, those in the small hall are 8 feet wide by about 5 feet deep, and those in the link are a different size again. For  SAFETY reasons, stalls must not extend into the aisles. How you use your area is up to you, but your whole stall, and your sales staff, must fit into this area. Extending into the aisles cannot be tolerated for safety reasons. We are very strict about this. In the main hall it is possible to re-arrange your pitch so that the table, and a 6 foot long dress rail can be accommodated without breaking this rule, but most stall holders find this re-arrangement very inconvenient.†
Click here for stall layout.

What time are stall holders admitted?
The centre will open at 12 noon for setting up. The sale will begin at 1pm.†
We reserve the right to re-let any stall not taken up by 12.45pm. Stalls not pre-paid must be taken up by 12.15pm.†

Does Elm Court supply tables?
For indoor sales yes, a table approximately 6 feet by 2 feet. For all pitches in the main halls (stalls 1-30) there is enough space to add your own pasting table behind the supplied table, making a total table top size of 6 feet by 4 feet.

Do I need to book?
Yes, for indoor sales it is almost essential to book.
For further information or booking ring Elm Court 01707 659602, 9am to 12 noon, Monday, Wednesday & Friday. Sorry no online booking.

On nice days can I set up a stall in the car park or field
No.  Sorry, but this is rarely possible, and so not worth disrupting the sale when it is possible. Some sellers would want to move from indoors to outdoors, leaving others scattered around the hall in a less attractive selling area.

What is Disabled Access Like
The main hall, lower link and toilet access is step free from the car park. The small hall and upper link is accessible via a ramp from the car park.  There are steps between the small hall, upper link and main hall, but these can be avoided by going round the outside of the building which, if required, our staff will be pleased to help you with.  There is a special toilet for those with disabilities which can accessed with a wheelchair.

What can I sell?
All the normal car boot stuff provided it is legal.
And not the following:
  Bottled, canned, and hot drinks and fresh food because the snack bar good cause have the monopoly.
  'fun bangs' and water bombs because these cause a mess inside the centre.
  Guns, including replicas and those that fire plastic pellets, and "weapon" knives because we disapprove and have caused problems.
  Alcohol or tobacco because it is usually illegal - even if they are left over from a party!!
The sale of counterfeit copies of CDs and DVDs, counterfeit designer clothes and perfumes etc will not be tolerated

Who is it in aid of?
Elm Court Youth and Community Centre, a registered charity, take most of the proceeds from the stalls fees (the £17).  The money is used to maintain and enhance the Centre.  The good cause staffing the doors, car park and snack bar keep the proceeds from the public (the 50p), early buyers (the £5), snack bar profits and a small proportion from the stall fees.

Is there a Question you still have, which you think should be answered here?
Then email us:  email contact.

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