Outdoor Sales
On a dry day we get between
130 and 230 sellers cars and about 1000 public (see 2011 figures).
The field is reasonably flat and cut (good enough for youth football). A very
nice setting with trees and hedging on 3 sides, and the Elm Court Centre on the
fourth.
There are indoor toilets, an indoor snack bar with seating, selling
teas/coffees, burgers, sandwiches etc. There is also usually a Snack Bar
on the field with seating.
Outdoor Sales 2012:
| Date |
Field good cause |
Snack Bar good cause |
Pitch fees (pitches) |
Buyers gate |
| 14 April |
Girlguiding UK |
Warren Concert Party |
£1716 (143) |
£1020 |
| 28 April |
1st Cuffley Scout Group |
Mount Grace School |
CANCELLED |
WATERLOGGED |
| 12 May |
Crusaders Youth Football Club |
PB Special Needs Group |
CANCELLED |
WATERLOGGED |
| 26 May |
3 PB Scouts |
4 PB Scouts |
|
|
| 9 June |
Little Heath Scouts |
Green Room Theatre |
|
|
| 23 June |
3PB Guides International Trips |
PB Special Needs Group |
|
|
| 7 July |
Youth Connexions NCS project |
Cats Protection |
|
|
| 21 July |
Explorer Scouts Tall Ships |
North Mymms Youth Project |
|
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| 4 Aug |
Air Training Corps |
Cats Protection |
|
|
| 18 Aug |
Barnet Open Door Project |
Green Room Theatre |
|
|
| 1 Sept |
5PB Brownies |
Wayside Centre |
|
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| 15 Sept |
5PB Scouts |
Mount Grace School |
|
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| 29 Sept |
Hertfordshire Showband |
Hertfordshire Showband |
|
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| 13 Oct |
Hertsmere Canoe Club |
1st Northaw Scouts |
|
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| 27 Oct |
North Mymms Youth Project |
Warren Concert Party |
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The first indoor sale of the following season is on 10th November 2012 - booking opens 1st October
Who is it in aid of?
Elm Court Youth and Community Centre, a registered charity, take most of the
proceeds from the sellers fees (the £12). The money is used to maintain
and enhance the Centre. The good cause staffing the gate and field keep
the proceeds from the public (the 50p), early buyers (the £4), and a small
proportion from the sellers fees. The good cause running the Snack Bars
keep all their profits and a small proportion from the sellers fees.
How Much Space Do I get?
The field can get pretty full, so to be fair to everyone we limit the pitch length to
6 metres (20 feet) - that's over 3 normal pasting tables end to end. If you want more space,
then just let the field
staff know, then you pay £1/metre over the 6 metre. Vans pay the standard £12
fee because they may want the same space as a car. If they want more then
they pay the £1/metre extra.
What if I Bring a Trailer
Trailers are charged extra to the £12 at the rate of £1/wheel on trailer.
Why the maximum height limit of 6'6"?
We don't want greengrocers, butchers etc as this effects the local shops.
We are a Community Centre after all, and most of the Community want to maintain
their local shops, even if they don't always use them. Also heavier and
bigger vans cause the field more damage. And on the entrance to the field
we have a low tree, and the entrance to the Centre has a height restriction bar.
Why the £4 fee for early buyers?
We find the sellers prefer time to set-up before the general public are
allowed in. But then we found that some 'keen' buyers would pay the sellers car
£12 fee, just to get in at the same time as the sellers. We often could
not tell the difference between these bogus sellers and the genuine seller, so
could not prevent this practice. So now we have formalised the £4 fee for
early buyers. But please note we make no guarantee about how long in
advance of the general public this will get you in.
Does Elm Court supply tables?
No, please bring your own.
Do I need to book?
No. We do not take bookings. If we're full, and this has only happened five times in 20 years, we give
free entry vouchers for future sales to those we have to turn away.
What if it rains?
Unless the field is also waterlogged (see below), rain does not cause the sale
to be cancelled. If it does rain during a sale, pitch fees are refunded at the
rate of £3 for every 20 minutes of rain between 12 noon and 3pm to a maximum of
£12. For example: a total of 19 minutes rain - no refund, a total of 21 minutes,
£3 refund. Change may be required! Outdoor sales only. Tom’s or Barbara’s decision
is final! If rain looks likely, we also offer sellers space inside.
Space inside is usually much more restricted for the £12 fee.
What if the field is waterlogged?
With a waterlogged field the
sale will usually be cancelled (sometimes it will be moved indoors - see below).
Sales are usually cancelled either the evening before or
about 9am on the morning of the sale. We try to give as much notice as
possible, but you must understand that the field can be dry until the Friday
evening, then rain all night, and then be waterlogged in the morning. Phone
01707 659602 for 24hr info, but we prefer if you phone outside 9am to 1pm,
Mon-Fri. We shall also try to update the web-site.
Do you move inside if the field is waterlogged?
Sometimes. With a waterlogged field the
sale will usually be cancelled. This is because the field cannot be used for
parking. So however sunny it is on the day, we cannot park enough
cars. So we feel it is better to cancel than to have the chaos that
insufficient parking would cause. There is an exception to this. If we can
predict that the field is going to be waterlogged sufficiently well in advance
that the press adverts can reflect this, then we will have an indoor sale, like
we hold in the winter. If this is well publicised enough, then not nearly
as many people turn up, and we can cope with the parking.
What can I sell?
All the normal car boot stuff provided it is legal.
And not the following:
Bottled, canned, and hot drinks and fresh food because the snack bar
good cause have the monopoly.
'fun bangs' and water bombs because these cause a mess inside the centre.
Guns, including replicas and those that fire plastic pellets, and
"weapon" knives because we disapprove and have caused problems.
Alcohol or tobacco because it is illegal without a licence - even if they
are left over from a party!!
Where do we advertise?
Hendon Times,
www.pottersbar.org,
Potters Bar Community News,
www.carbootjunction.co.uk,
www.ukfayres.co.uk,
www.boot-fairs.co.uk,
www.yourbooty.co.uk.
It there a Question you still have,
which you think should be answered here?
Then email us: email contact.
Outdoor Sales 2011:
| Date |
Field good cause |
Snack Bar good cause |
Pitch fees (pitches) |
Buyers gate (50p & £4) |
| 30 April 2011 |
PB Girl Guiding International Trips |
Scout Jamboree Trip |
£2100(175) |
£1150 |
| 14 May 2011 |
1st LH&PB & 1st Cuffley Scouts |
Warren Concert Party |
£1800(150) |
£985 |
| 28 May 2011 |
Scout Swaziland Trip |
Green Room Theatre Company |
£1440(120) |
£872 (rain, wind & cold forecast) |
| 11 June 2011 |
Potters Bar Explorer Scouts |
PB Children with Special Needs |
£1416(118) |
£850 (rain forecast) |
| 25 June 2011 |
3 Potters Bar Scouts |
Wayside Centre |
£1680(140) |
£670 (unsettled weather) |
| 9 July 2011 |
Open Door Drop-In Centre |
Mount Grace School |
£1680(140) |
£890 (showers forecast) |
| 23 July 2011 |
The Green Room |
Cats Protection |
£1764(147) |
£830 (showers forecast) |
| 6 Aug 2011 |
57 SQD ATC |
Warren Concert Party |
£2400(200) |
£740 |
| 20 Aug 2011 |
PB Canoe Club |
Cats Protection |
£2436(203) |
£800 |
| 3 Sept 2011 |
Hertfordshire Showband |
Hertfordshire Showband |
£2760(230) |
£950 |
| 17 Sept 2011 |
5 Potters Bar Scouts |
1 Northaw Scouts |
£1680(140) |
£740 showers forecast |
| 1 Oct 2011 |
3 PB Scouts |
Warren Concert Party |
£2400(200) |
£1090 very hot. |
| 15 Oct 2011 |
5 PB Brownies |
Mount Grace School |
£2184(182) |
£750 |
Indoor Sales
These are held
between mid-October and Easter, alternate Saturdays. There are 44 stalls, and we usually get between 300 and 400 public.
There is a snack bar with seating, selling
teas/coffees, burgers, sandwiches etc.
Indoor Sales also known as Attic Sales
Indoors, alternate Saturdays between mid October and Easter,
Outdoors rest of year.
Sellers are admitted from 12.15pm. Public are admitted from *1.30pm.
Stall for indoor sales cost £17 but must be booked
Public are charged 50p until 2.30pm. *But if they want to enter early, with the sellers,
it is £5.
Indoor Dates for 2012/2013:
| 10 November 2012 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 1 October |
| 24 November 2012 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 1 October |
| 8 December 2012 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 1 October |
| 12 January 2013 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 26 November |
| 26 January 2013 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 26 November |
| 9 February 2013 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 26 November |
| 23 February 2013 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 26 November |
| 9 March 2013 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 26 November |
| 23 March 2013 |
Good cause: TBA |
stalls on sale from 26 November |
What time are buyers admitted and how much?
Normally 1.30pm. But early buyers are admitted at the same time as
stall holders on payment of £5. Admission is free after 2.30pm.
Accompanied children are free.
Why the £5 fee for early buyers?
We find the sellers prefer time to set-up before the general public are
allowed in. But then we found that some 'keen' buyers would
book a stall just to get in at the same time as the sellers. But then they
would leave the stall empty, which reduces the choice for others.
So now we have formalised the £5 fee for early buyers.
How
Much Does a Pitch Cost?
£17 for the first pitch, then £14 each after the first if you want more than
one on the same day.
How Much Space Do I get?
Cost £17 per pitch. For each pitch we supply one table about 6
feet by 2 feet. Most pitches in the main hall are 7 feet wide by 6 feet deep,
those in the small hall are 8 feet wide by about 5 feet deep, and those in the
link are a different size again. For SAFETY reasons, stalls must not
extend into the aisles. How you use your area is up to you, but your whole
stall, and your sales staff, must fit into this area. Extending into the aisles
cannot be tolerated for safety reasons. We are very strict about this. In the
main hall it is possible to re-arrange your pitch so that the table, and a 6
foot long dress rail can be accommodated without breaking this rule, but most
stall holders find this re-arrangement very inconvenient.
Click here for stall layout.
What time are stall holders admitted?
The centre will open at 12 noon for setting up. The sale will
begin at 1.30pm.
We reserve the right to re-let any stall not taken up by 1.15pm.
Stalls not pre-paid must be taken up by 12.30pm.
Does Elm Court supply tables?
For indoor sales yes, a table approximately 6 feet by 2 feet. For all pitches in
the main halls (stalls 1-30) there is enough space to add your own pasting table
behind the supplied table, making a total table top size of 6 feet by 4 feet.
Do I need to book?
Yes, for indoor sales it is almost essential to book.
For further information or booking ring Elm Court 01707 659602,
9am to 12 noon, Monday, Wednesday & Friday. Sorry no online booking.
Click here for booking information and form.
Click here for stall layout.
On nice days can I set up a stall in the car park or field
No. Sorry, but this is rarely possible, and so not worth disrupting the
sale when it is possible. Some sellers would want to move from indoors to
outdoors, leaving others scattered around the hall in a less attractive selling
area.
What is Disabled Access Like
The main hall, lower link and toilet access is step free from the car park. The
small hall and upper link is accessible via a ramp from the car park.
There are steps between the small hall, upper link and main hall, but these can
be avoided by going round the outside of the building which, if required, our
staff will be pleased to help you with. There are larger than normal
cubicles in male and female toilets that can be accessed with a wheelchair.
What can I sell?
All the normal car boot stuff provided it is legal.
And not the following:
Bottled, canned, and hot drinks and fresh food because the snack bar
good cause have the monopoly.
'fun bangs' and water
bombs because these cause a mess inside the centre.
Guns, including replicas and those that fire plastic pellets, and
"weapon" knives because we disapprove and have caused problems.
Alcohol or tobacco because it is usually illegal - even if they
are left over from a party!!
The sale of counterfeit copies of CDs and DVDs, counterfeit designer clothes and perfumes etc will not be tolerated
Who is it in aid of?
Elm Court Youth and Community Centre, a registered charity, take most of the
proceeds from the stalls fees (the £17). The money is used to maintain
and enhance the Centre. The good cause staffing the doors, car park and
snack bar keep the proceeds from the public (the 50p), early buyers (the £5),
snack bar profits and a small
proportion from the stall fees.
Is there a Question you still have,
which you think should be answered here?
Then email us: email contact.
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